This interview touches on the role of spirituality in counselling. We know human relationships are crucial for people's mental health. How about the relationship with the self? How do we approach the sense of something bigger than us in therapy? Love is absolutely esential for people to develop a healthy view of themselves. Often, clients have never experienced unconditional love before coming to therapy. What is the role of a therapist in the spiritual life of clients? Is it appropriate to model unconditional love for them?